as the president of the united states or the secretary of the united states, secretary of state for the united states, you have an obligation that when you say al-qaeda did this versus some al-qaeda wanna-bees did this, there is a very big difference. and one of them shores up a failing political arm of a radical movement. if you say al-qaeda was successful in an attack, that they got marching orders from a hierarchical structure -- >> it gives us reason to attack somebody. >> hal: it also gives them strength in their recruiting. it also says there are legitimate arms still around. they still have their same value they had under osama bin laden or throughout you know, the 2000s, the early -- the first part of the iraq and afghanistan war. but if you say it turned out that these were opportunistic anti-american guys who are militia-related to the government of libya say that do have tacit connections to al-qaeda or did at one point that's a bigger conversation as well. you don't immediately say then that's an act of war. the government of libya has a militia group attached to them throug